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iTunes Downdated, Features Ripped Out To Please Greedy Music Execs
posted by acaben on Tuesday May 27, @04:27PM
from the indian-givers dept.
Upgrades Jeff Rigby writes "iTunes 4.0.1 has been released with the following description;
"iTunes 4.0.1 includes a number of performance and network access enhancements, and only allows music sharing between computers using iTunes 4.0.1 or later on a local network (in the same subnet)."

So, basically this prevents people from streaming over the internet which, to me, defeats the whole purpose. I have over 8,000 songs on my home computer. When I go to the office I connect to my home computer and stream them from my house so I don't have to lug around my external FW drive. I don't cosider this illicit in any way, and to me was the single best thing about the new iTunes. The only thing that would make me upgrade is multiple genre or styles support, until then I'll stick with 4.0."

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    Once again a few people screw the rest.... (Score:1)
    by mgilm on Wednesday May 28, @08:42PM (#21)
    User #8489 Info
    It is a shame that people had to come up with utilities to abuse a trust system. And that is really what this update comes down to, trust. If the record industry cannot trust the average PC user with the ability to properly share their music, then they are going to remove it. Unfortunately, it only takes just a few people to ruin it for everyone else.
    Re:Want a really easy work around? (Score:1)
    by daneel on Tuesday May 27, @06:30PM (#24)
    User #8487 Info
    And man was that annoying to deal with...
    Re:Bah, stop whining (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @08:32PM (#26)
    Yeah. Because there are so many other non-mega corps that provide computers. Jeez.
    Re:Argh... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @08:40PM (#27)
    "Touted" for use on local networks, and now they enforce it.....

    Go read the help file.
    Re:Do half of you have a clue what "sharing" is? (Score:1)
    by tapin on Monday June 02, @08:36PM (#68)
    User #8206 Info
    i get paid by the copy, how do i do that under your scenario without working for free?

    Non sequitur. Copyright infringement, as the OP said, isn't theft.

    How much money do you have before someone infringes your copyright? How much money do you have after someone infringes your copyright?

    For an example of theft, try this: How much money do you have after using the ATM? How much money do you have after your pocket is picked and your wallet stolen?

    In the first example, you've got the same exact amount of money. Nothing was "stolen" from you -- laws were broken, but not every law is "stealing". In the second example, a law was (presumably several were) also broken. In that case, theft occurred -- you were deprived of property.

    Theoretical profits do not make theft. Stop conflating the two.

    Re:Streaming to office not an argument (Score:2)
    by marmoset (marSmosPet@maAc.comM (remove caps to mail)) on Wednesday May 28, @12:57PM (#12203)
    User #376 Info | http://www.freeke.org/ffg/

    Dorothy: "Look, a man made out of straw!"

    The poster you responded to said nothing about sharing his playlist with the world, and neither did I. How does an unadvertised, password protected share amount to "sharing with the world?" If "Napsterization" of the sharing feature is a concern, then all Apple has to do remove the ability to share non-passworded libraries outside the network, or initiate a mechanism (key-based, perhaps?) similar to the one for authorizing ITMS purchased music.

    You could, say "authorize" 3 or 5 or 10 or some other low but reasonable number of offsite machines to stream music from your shares. Obviously, this solution would require some software engineering (so it would be more of an iTunes 4.2 feature than an iTunes 4.01 feature), but it would restore a bit of walk-it-like-you-talk-it balance to the idea of treating your customers like thinking adults (the historical Apple postition) rather than like theiving little maggots who'll buy-what-we-sell-and-STFU about it (the historical record industry position.)

    Use an SSH tunnel (Score:0, Redundant)
    by clarkcox3 on Wednesday May 28, @07:52AM (#12205)
    User #5174 Info | http://homepage.mac.com/clarkcox3/blog/B1196589870/index.html
    ssh to some computer on the same subnet as the computer that you want to share, and forward the appropriate ports through a tunnel, problem solved.--
    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not really out to get you.
    Re:Use Apache (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @08:15AM (#12206)

    Sigh... Another lame attempt at trolling...

    SB
    AppleShare over IP (Score:1)
    by cjmbitey on Wednesday May 28, @08:21AM (#12207)
    User #8473 Info
    If you only want to share your music with yourself, turn your home computer into an AFP over IP server. Log into your home computer from work, and add references to your home music collection to your work computer. After setting up the references to your music collection, iTunes will log you onto your home computer when you try to play a song. Upside: You don't need iTunes 4.0. In my house, I "stream" my music from my OS X capable computer to my non-OS X capable computer that is running iTunes 1.0 using this method. Downside: Your fire wall at work might not allow traffic on the APF over IP port. (Can the port number be changed?)
    Re:MOD UP (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @08:17AM (#12208)
    One of the programs that made it easy to steal streams was already out before spymac put up their service!

    SB
    Re:ssh tunnel? (Score:1)
    by synaesthesia on Wednesday May 28, @08:21AM (#12209)
    User #8111 Info
    As stated here, connecting to localhost and tunnelling over SSH are not the same thing.
    Re:Arrrrrrr, matey! (Score:1)
    by eduo on Wednesday May 28, @02:31PM (#12211)
    User #6254 Info | http://ciateq.mx/~eduo/pics/
    I think you m ay have missed a cliche or two there in your rant on why you should be pirating music anyway.--- Gurgle? ---
    Re:ssh tunnel? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @06:13AM (#12212)
    Arrrgh! No! Tunneling TCP over TCP is a terrible idea, especially if you're trying to get decent performance with streaming. Just use Squid. For all HTTP's faults, at least it offers a proper mechanism for proxying.
    Re:Greedy execs? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @11:53AM (#12213)
    Bye.
    Re:Use Apache (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @11:59AM (#12214)
    Well, I've never tried iTunes streaming, but I should think it wouldn't be too hard to write a simple program to trick iTunes into thinking any computer was on the same subnet.
    Re:MOD UP (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @06:57AM (#12215)
    SpyMac did take down the service once the means to steal the streams started showing up. Don't be too hard on them...well ok, I don't really care if you are or not.
    QSS?? (Score:1)
    by astromac on Wednesday May 28, @06:03AM (#12216)
    User #4267 Info
    How about downloading the FREE Quicktime Streaming Server and stream your music library using that? Coming down on Apple for preventing kiddies from illegally sharing their music is stupid. Grow up. Use SSH tunneling or QSS and quit crying if it's that important to you.
    Re:Why didn't they encrypt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @08:52AM (#12217)
    No, encryption isn't a Microsoftian approach. The parent wasn't talking about encrypting your music files, he was talking about encrypting the tunnel between an iTunes client and an iTunes server, to prevent the third-party apps that save a stream to disk. If your comment was true, then SSH would be just as Microsoftian. I'm hoping that iTunes will indeed come out with just this sort of encrypted connection, so we can get this feature back without the piracy.
    Re:Do half of you have a clue what "sharing" is? (Score:1)
    by nkuitse on Wednesday May 28, @02:06PM (#12218)
    User #944 Info
    It's not SHARING if it's being downloaded.

    Huh? If it's being downloaded, it might be legal, legitimate sharing or it might be copyright infringement. It sounds as though you believe illegal sharing (as opposed to legal sharing) is stealing. But copyright infringement is not theft. If I steal something you own, you don't have it any more. If I copy something you own, you still have it. It's an important distinction.

    Do you believe that making a mix CD and giving it to a friend is sharing? Do you believe that it's theft? Do you believe that it's always an infringement of copyright? What do you believe fair use is for?

    In iTunes 4.0, Apple is shutting a door that some people have used to infringe on others' copyrights. The problem is, a lot of people also use this door for legitimate purposes. IMHO, Apple has just taken a step or two down the road of treating its customers like criminals. There's been altogether too much of that sort of thing recently and people are pissed as a result (or at least I am).

    Re:Use Apache (Score:0, Offtopic)
    by synaesthesia on Wednesday May 28, @10:50AM (#12222)
    User #8111 Info
    SlashHater

    Pants on fire.
    Re:multi-subnet home networks (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @10:53AM (#12223)
    I had the same question, with a bit of a twist: our set-up is a Lynsys router to share the DSL, but with a couple of computers wired directly to it, and a couple of Airports (actually one Airport and one iMac sharing wireless) attached (this is at each end of a big concrete place). When we initially set up iTunes, it didn't work--we had to enter IPs, which suggested to me that we were on different subnets because of the Airport. Will the new version make this stop working?
    Re:Good grief (Score:2, Insightful)
    by pbreit on Wednesday May 28, @10:45AM (#12224)
    User #9827 Info
    Wrong. From iTunes 4.0 Help: "You can also share your music with a computer that is not in the same subnet as you by setting up the other computer to look for shared music at your computer's IP address."
    Of course this is nonsense (Score:1, Insightful)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @05:27AM (#12225)
    Compromising useful technology on the ground that it "could be used" to engage in piracy is just silly. First, RIAA has all the legal tools they require to enforce their rights -- all they need is the will to do it. Second, the argument falls of its own weight: it can be used to remove virtually every useful feature of any machine. This is not theoretical, RIAA and MPAA have opposed virtually every new tecnology on the ground that they can't control it. They have whined about everything since the piano roll. They took Sony all the way to the Supreme Court until they lost the Betamax case. If they had their way, TCP/IP would have DRM built right in, and by law, we would all be obliged to modify our machines to use it. Sorry, I dissent.
    Re:MOD UP (Score:1)
    by Dephex Twin on Wednesday May 28, @09:48AM (#12227)
    User #4126 Info
    I'm not only picking on SpyMac here, I'm talking about anyone who tried to set up something like this.

    But, regardless... even the database for sharing streams with strangers *without* the stealing is going against the spirit of the sharing capability. That use alone was probably in trouble because it makes your computer into a sort of pirate streaming music-on-demand radio station.

    Alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems. ---Homer Simpson
    Re:Use Apache (Score:1)
    by jiminy on Wednesday May 28, @09:51AM (#12229)
    User #10081 Info
    HOW, pray tell, is this trolling? His comments were lucid and on topic without being stupid or inflammatory.
    How very balanced of you... (Score:1)
    by grahamtriggs on Wednesday May 28, @04:55AM (#12230)
    User #7783 Info
    I'm sorry, but I can't see any *fair* use rights that are being infringed... OK, so it would be nice to be able to stream to your machine at work... so maybe they could add the ability to stream to 1 or 2 *specific* offnet machines... but you don't have a license to 'broadcast' your music to *everyone*, it's a bloody huge bandwidth hog, and quite frankly isn't what iTunes was meant for - that's why they *sell* streaming media servers!!!! I'm as p***ed off as anyone else with the attitude some record companies take - supplying 'broken CDs' is just plain wrong. But does it do anyone any good to complain about fair 'restrictions'? Chances are, it just entrenches their opinions of us as being lowlifes, and makes them want to further restrict what we can do!
    Why upgrade? No more volume fluctuation!!! (Score:2, Informative)
    by ch0ke on Tuesday May 27, @05:05PM (#12231)
    User #9926 Info | http://macbuds.com/
    4.0.1 fixes the known volume fluctuation playback bug...
    Monkey crap (Score:1)
    by lunenburg on Tuesday May 27, @05:09PM (#12232)
    User #5824 Info | http://www.lunenburg.org/
    I was enjoying being able to play my home library at work. With a password-protected share, I was the only one listening anyway.
    Buy an iPod. That's what they'd say. (Score:1, Funny)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 27, @05:14PM (#12233)
    "I have over 8,000 songs on my home computer. When I go to the office I connect to my home computer and stream them from my house so I don't have to lug around my external FW drive."

    Buy a 30GB iPod. That's what they want you to do!

    PS: If you think holding an iPod around is lugging, go back to 2009!
    It's a nefarious plot to sell PowerBooks (Score:1)
    by gerardrg on Thursday May 29, @10:32AM (#12234)
    User #3068 Info
    I think this is all just a nefarious plot to get me to buy a PowerBook. Apple didn't disable local streaming so if you want to share your playlist with people at work you'll have to buy a PowerBook and hook it up at work. Clever but I'm not buying until the 15" aluminum PowerBooks come out.
    GNUmp3d (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @12:27PM (#12236)
    use the right tool for the job, I use GNUmp3d to stream my entire mp3/ogg library via any webbrowser on any platform. works great:
    http://gnump3d.sourceforge.net/
    P
    Re:Streaming to office not an argument (Score:1)
    by originalgeek on Wednesday May 28, @12:28PM (#12238)
    User #5052 Info | http://macslash.org/
    "shut up and buy more stuff?"
    Yeah blank CD-R's sure are an undue financial burden. And way less convenient than the cassette tapes we had when I was a kid. Anyway, pardon my sarcasm...my real point is all this stuff about streaming to the office is just a red herring. We all know nobody is really bitching about that. Anyone who can afford enough gear plus electricity to keep their home system(s) always-on (or have 1U in a data center) can afford a few blank CDs or maybe an iPod. I might also add use of non-iTunes will free up about 10% of your CPU.

    share his music collection, using a solution that is both technically and morally sound
    btw sharing a menu of MP3s with the world is not the same ballpark as whipping up a mix tape for a friend. It ain't even the same sport.
     
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    Use Apache (Score:1, Insightful)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 27, @04:41PM (#12239)
    Run the webserver put a user/password on it and put all of your songs on the web. If you want redirect it to a port other then 80. Then just use a webbrowser to download whatever tune you want.
    Want a really easy work around? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 27, @04:42PM (#12240)
    Someone create a proxy for Apple's sharing protocol.
    Well that just sux. (Score:2, Troll)
    by davesag (macslash(**at**)davesag(**dot**)com) on Tuesday May 27, @04:43PM (#12241)
    User #1726 Info | http://www.davesag.com
    I guess pretty much no-one will upgrade then. How soon till the iTunes shop restricts purchases to only users of the crippled version? Hell isn't the 5 users at a time limit enough? But this is just stupid. And they dare call it an enhancement! - gagging for a sig -
    Bah, stop whining (Score:2, Insightful)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 27, @05:25PM (#12242)
    The only reason Apple decided to make this move is because people were abusing the system; recording music that was being streamed from someone else's library isn't what library sharing was meant to accomplish.

    If you need to be mad at anyone, be mad at the people who decided to take advantage of a good thing for personal gain, not the people who took it away out of a legitimate concern of legality.
    Re:Is the removal of net sharing a bug fix? (Score:1)
    by daneel on Tuesday May 27, @05:55PM (#12246)
    User #8487 Info
    No, they are two completely different things.

    The service announcement is handled via dns service discovery over multicast dns. The actual sharing occurs via daap which uses http as it's transport over tcp port 3689.

    Fixing the ttl on the multicast packets (thanks for pointing that out, it's something to remember when I'm writing my own mdns libraries) would be completely unrelated to blocking daap access from non-local subnets. (Having implemented that myself, I know they'd live in completely different areas :).

    Re:Streaming to office not an argument (Score:1)
    by klez23 on Wednesday May 28, @01:50PM (#12248)
    User #3888 Info | http://www.huzzam.com/
    Anyone who can afford enough gear plus electricity to keep their home system(s) always-on (or have 1U in a data center) can afford a few blank CDs or maybe an iPod.

    Um, my ibook uses about 12-20W with the screen dimmed. The electric bill wouldn't noticeably change if I left it on 24/7. (Yes, it would still be wasteful, but it's just not on the level of buying an ipod.)

    Re:Two possible work arounds (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @02:04PM (#12249)
    iCommune bites so hard. Its too bad, its a great idea.
    Re:The easiest work around (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @02:05PM (#12250)
    How? It only seems to be capable of streaming input devices (including CD's). Doesn't seem to be so hip on serving files.
    Not to please greedy execs (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 27, @05:23PM (#12251)
    I think that the whole reason is because of the programs that allowed people to download the music using the music sharing. ( thank you to the few who ruined it for a much larger group of honest users) I'm surprised that we still even have the feature, no matter how crippled it may be.
    Re:Use Apache (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @12:51AM (#12254)
    I agree. I remember buying my first tape recorder, in the '60s. I taped everything for the first while. I listened to album rock stations, and taped that. I taped the entire of Sergeant Pepper the night before it was released. I also waited in line and bought the record, because after listening to it, I realized I didn't want to listen to the DJ's voice on the tape, or to the slight underrecording on the first two tracsk. I wasn't sorry, because the record delivered superior sound and musicality. Know what? I don't have that tape anymore, but I have the record packed away, and the CD. I paid for them both, and a lot of other Beatles besides. They made several hundred off me over the years. Taping the show where the DJ played the whole record (he'd get fired now, of course) didn't hang around long, much as a lot of mp3's will start seeming crappy in a few years' time, and the college dorm kids will buy CDs or DVD Audio or whatever for the fancy stereos they bought. They're not going to want 128 kbps compressed music to play on the McIntosh, though it's fine on the Macintosh, right? It doesn't surprise me to have the RIAA screaming, or for the bought-and-paid for Congress to pass the DMCA. What appals me is how many here are saying, "Oh, listening to another person's music, that's nasty! Sharing is communist! Bad thief, like a bank robber." No, it's just fine. It's how you learn musical culture. You learn music by being exposed to it by people who aren't selling you mattresses and acne cream or new cars or... As if, when you listen to new music on anything but a huge, crankin' mass market radio station with payola and product placeement and Kool Kids brainwashing, it's un-American or something. Hey, people, put the anti-theft thing around your neck! Somebody might steal your brainwaves if you ever had one. Remember the slogan that brought Apple back from near-death? "Think Different?" I didn't say steal. Is there some way they can block the iSlurps and the other downloading apps? That I'll support. Otherwise, I'm out there looking for streams that don't belong to my Sector, comrade. You listen to people's streams because it's fun, and a musical education. I saw a collection last night that had thousands of Russian tunes, lots of classical, good jazz cuts, rock, the whole bit. There's a couple of CDs I might buy now. If I don't, all I've done is be exposed to some music I hadn't heard. I look over other people's collections, and get right out. It stinks. There's nothing there that a music robot wouldn't have chosen for a Clear Channel station in Iowa. With networking other people's streams so easy (and give 3rd parties time, it'll get easier), what we have is not a substitute for buying music, but a substitute for listening to cheesy radio, which isn't worth a tinker's damn. Make your own programming, people! Program yourselves! Remember the '1984' ad? Well, this is what it was talking about.
    Re:MP3 Sushi (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28, @04:19AM (#12256)
    You can use it as a Juke Box or as a Streaming server. I hope it works also for AAC, gonna try it.
    Re:Use Netjuke (Score:1)
    by jtrascap (jtrascap@SPmacAM.com) on Wednesday May 28, @04:34AM (#12257)
    User #3890 Info
    no limits in 4 - go at it!
    Re:MP3 Sushi (Score:1)
    by Fofer on Wednesday May 28, @12:42AM (#12258)
    User #8824 Info
    This just lets you listen to what's currently playing on the remote Mac. (IE: totally not interactive.) What was nice and elegant about Apple's iTunes 4 implementation was, I could select whatevever songs/albums I wanted and play them at a remote location, nicely within iTunes itself. The "remote" library sat alongside my "local" library. I have seen the future, and it is remote playlist sharing. I guess iCommune has it's work cut out for it now.
    Use SSL/Webdav or SSH/SMB (Score:1)
    by thoth on Wednesday May 28, @10:20AM (#12259)
    User #9123 Info
    I recommend you mount your music volumes from home using Samba, encrypting it over an SSH tunnel. Simply compile samba, get it working unencrypted locally. Create a share of your music directory. Make sure to set the hosts_allow option in smb.conf to only share to the local IP (unless you want to allow other IPs to see the share).

    On your remote machine, which I'm assuming is UNIX-based, you can then do this:

    ssh -L 139:myremotemac.mydomain.com:139 myremotemac.mydomain.com

    Then do:

    mount_smbfs -I 127.0.0.1 -W REMOTEWRKGRP //remoteusername@127.0.0.1/Music /Users/localusername/Remote/music.myremotemac

    REMOTEWRKGRP should be replaced with whatever workgroup you configured Samba to use. remoteusername should be the username you're using on the remote box, i.e. your Mac at home. localusername is your username on the local box. You will have to create a "Remote" directory in your home directory, and a subdirectory called music.. Use that name instead of "music.myremotemac" above. Let's say your Mac is called homemac. If so, once you've done the above, your music directory should be at /Users/localusername/Remote/music.homemac.

    My major gripe here is that mount_smbfs can't look at any port other than 139 when mounting SMB. That's a pain in the ass because it means your local Mac can't share anything to other hosts, and it can only mount encrypted volumes from the one machine. So if you need to share out or mount volumes from other machines, you will need to do the sharing when needed, then switch back.

    As an alternative, you can compile apache with SSL and webdav and mount the volume that way. Use the mount_webdav program located in /sbin to do this. This won't affect your SMB filesharing at all. However, this option is maybe 50 percent more complicated than Samba. Nonetheless, if you want to give either one a try, if you run into problems, feel free to send me an email and we'll see if I can help you. I've been using the SSH/Samba solution for a long time and it works great!

    One final note/caveat: You must allow SSH through the firewall to your Mac for this to be feasible. If you go the webdav approach, you must allow SSL (https) to your Mac. The good news is you can allow such connections only from the IP or block of IPs you'll be using remotely.

    Mail me at stevena@neosynapse.net if you have questions.
    Do half of you have a clue what "sharing" is? (Score:2, Interesting)
    by jtrascap (jtrascap@SPmacAM.com) on Wednesday May 28, @04:54AM (#12261)
    User #3890 Info
    It's not SHARING if it's being downloaded.

    Let's look at it this way. What do you define as sharing?

    1) You've got your window open, blaring your radio the crowd below the street. THIS is iTunes sharing...

    2) You've got your stereo on and are copying your music collection to cd, then placing them on the window sill for anyone to take. Or worse, people are reaching in and taking those cds without asking you. THIS is what Apple stopped.

    I can't see why this is hard to understand - in the second scenario, you're either distributing or being stolen from, and that's all that's changed.

    You can still tunnel to the Mac if you want, and you can still set up web sharing to give out your music if you want. But *you* have to do it - Apple won't do it for you!

    And can you blame them? (Obviously, some can)
    well that just rocks (Score:3, Insightful)