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I have been without it (9) for sometime. Your computer will not combust. In fact, you will have more space, etc.
MAK
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Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @07:16PM (#3389)
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I know that a friend of mine wanted to read and write in Cyrillic/Russian. In order to have the right fonts and layouts recognized and used under OS X (applications like Mail.app, IE, OmniWeb), the Apple support page said to install them under OS 9. I did this and it worked (I believe that IE had problems, but OmniWeb worked properly). This would be an occasion for requiring the installation of OS 9.
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I can't imagine using up 13 GB of hard drive space, myself.
most of the "digital lifestyle" apps in X tend to create a need for hard drive space. iMovie DV video files, in particular, are massive. also, my MP3 collection seems to be teetering about the 10Gb mark (i've ripped all of my albums - and just in case RIAA is reading this - yes, i actually bought all of them tunes, or downloaded them from MP3.com). i have 3 drives - 60Gb, 80Gb, and 30Gb. of course, if i wasn't doing multitrack audio sequencing and video editing (all amateur level in my case) i don't think i'd need it.
i've got Mac OS 9.2 on its own partition and generally never run the Classic environment (preferring to actually boot into 9 for older games, sequencing apps, etc.). what i wonder is if there is some way to keep X from seeing the 9 "Fonts" folder - some of the fonts are sequencer-specific and there's no reason to have them load up in X. not that they're doing anything wrong in X, but my Fonts list is twice as long as it needs to be in AppleWorks… --
bruddahmax
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday October 09, @12:16PM (#3396)
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1. You imply the original poster a criminal
2. He says it isn't necessarily so
3. You retort: you were joking, and anyway it is so, and furthermore people like him are ruining the internet!
4. He retorts: it wasn't funny, and it ain't so, and people like you aren't funny
5. You retort: TROLL! It was so funny! And it IS so! TROLL! And how dare he attack or call me names, that TROLL! TROLL!!
Ha.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday October 09, @01:30PM (#3413)
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Pretentious post... just like the one Im replying to...
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Monday October 07, @02:35AM (#3427)
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Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday October 09, @01:52PM (#3430)
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I just got finished reading this thread and jeeze you people are retarded! All of you are being rather insensitive in addition to acting like trolls. Yes, all of you! It seems people around here are too quick to read into someone elses comments, too quick to pass judgement and too quick to flame. I hope you all are proud of your childish and rancorous comments. I wish the moderators here would mod everyone in this discussion down. If there is one thing that is true on this thread it was the thing about the friend/foe thing. I wish this site used a newer version of slash so I could tune you all out. I suppose it is too much to ask for though and I'll have to adjust my comment threshold even higher to filter-out you fools.
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I've got a G3 powerbook... I just bought an IBM Travelstar 40GB drive for $178. I know that's more than some people want to spend on a hard drive, but it runs faster, and was a piece of cake to install (I've got a "Pismo"... 6 screws and it was out).
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @02:26PM (#3433)
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CompUSA this week has 60 GB 7200 RPM Maxtors for $100 out the door + a $20 mail-in rebate.
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Two things to consider (well, 1 and then a comment).
Space isnt nearly that much if your willing to do more then just unwrap the box and plug in the drive.
I took an IBM 80gb, and added an Oxford911 firewire box for just over $125 (125.84 I believe, but anyway). Thats 80gb which isnt a$$ expensive and is (now) external. Thing is you get to install the drive and stuff, but thats nothin at all. www.pricewatch.com is a wonderful thing... ^_^
As for the bit about only an ibook. $1199 for a DVD/RW combo 12.1' book (after eduction discount and some working) is nothing to sneeze at compared to more then twice that for a powerbook which has a bigger screen (appealing, but counter productive for many people, such as those who dont have SPACE, or need less weight).-
"Then as it was and again it will be. Though the course may change sometime rivers always reach the sea"LedZeppelin
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30fps? Unacceptable. I prefer the lower resolution of "blocky" or "tv" modes, which on the other hand will give far superior framerates (usually 50~60fps).
"The journey is the reward." (zen saying)
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I've been running MacOSX on a TiBook400 since August 2001. It came with a tiny 10GB drive, and since it was for WebObjects/Java development I didn't need MacOS9 at all. I DID need the room for some more important *cough*MP3*ahem* files.
Anyways, I nuked MacOS9, and deleted the associated folders from the drive. 1 year later, and I've upgraded the hard drive to 40GB, but decided I didn't want to worry about MacOS9 anymore (keeping it up to date etc...) so it's stayed gone.
No regrets. Especially now that every app I could possibly want runs natively.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @01:20PM (#3444)
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I also like macosxhints.com site. They have some pretty cool stuff. Not sure why you got troll status but there have been lots of mod compliants lately.
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Until QuarkXPress comes out for X, and is usable, just I can't cleans my system of 9. Been trying to learn InDesign, but it's really quite clunky compared to XPress. But there's also the issue of Distiller, which is still very much OS9 only. Font Doctor works better in Classic, too. And, still, I've had to boot into 9 to do some troubleshooting and such. I'd say maybe 6 months and I could ditch it finally.
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Hi. Director MX seems to be in beta. A friend of mine is a tester, and says it seems quite solid and thinks it won't be long until it is out.
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..and significantly lowered the price of the icelandic language kit (from 9.000 IKR to 3950 IKR). However, this doesn't change the fact that it sucks to have to pay an additional charge for basic funtionality.
To get back on topic: Had I known of this before, I might not have switched from OS9 (where icelandic language support is *free*).
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @11:02PM (#3457)
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I believe you mean "*too* late to the party".
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @01:34AM (#3459)
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well, the new system prefs for classic should support this since they do a real search and give you options. in addition, updating classic from disk is also an option.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Saturday October 05, @09:40PM (#3460)
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may i recommend a firewire case and the hard drive of your choice? all you have to do is plug in the drive and close the case, and you save lots of money. there are two good cases at CompUSA, but i hate that place, so you could probly find a better one online. yes, the cases have built-in ATA controllers, usually ATA100 (although the theoretical data flow limit of firewire is a little less than ATA66).
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Monday October 07, @08:21AM (#3471)
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I've actually moved backward since last week. I was in X, but can't stand Quark in Classic, so until it comes out I'm shafted.
I might try InDesign, but I still also need Framemaker and can see no sign of Adobe hurrying that one along (though as it was once avaliable on NeXTSTEP maybe it'll be a Cocoa app).
returning to the point - good luck to those wishing to dump OS 9 - I would if I could. If you have all the software you need running in X, then take a leap of faith.
Jason...
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That is not grammatically fucking correct
I think you meant fucking gramatically correct.
Assuming that you're using fucking as an adverb, grammatically fucking doesn't really make sense, where fucking gramatically does.
Fucking gramatically implies that fucking is modifying gramatically.
Gramatically fucking implies that gramatically is modifying fucking.
Although if you've got any pictures or vids of grammatically fucking, I'd be interested in seeing them.
XOX
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This is due to the file type being set to 'sys' or something to that affect. You can find some information on it in various forums. Essentially, using any utility to change its file type will allow you to remove the file.
Cheers.
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Went the route of thinking I am now capable of living OS 9 free, but then came the day I needed the business functionality of Classic App. Did not want to put out the money there and then to upgrade to the Carbon version. I hit many technical snafu's on my road to restoring OS 9 and had to revert to an entire backup (which I lost a thing or two in the process) and clean install of both OS X and OS 9. Thank god for some good, free back up software! I will go back to a OS 9 free in the future, but after a some more careful planning and upgrades!
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The local apple dealership here in Iceland is charging an arm and a leg for decent Icelandic langugage support in Jaguar. These very same guys said a few years ago: "When MacOS X arrives, unicode support will mean that icelandic language support will be built-in, straight from Cupertino.".
The fact is that carbon and classic apps need an additional Icelandic language pack. Users like me that bought Jaguar straight from the US have paid USD129 for Jaguar plus taxes (about 18000 IKR, 200$ US) and are now required to pay 9000 IKR (100$ US) for proper Icelandic language support.
Mac users have already been put to the test with the iTools/.Mac bait-and-switch, and now the precious few mac users here in Iceland are being hassled with these additional charges. I´m seriously considering switching to Linux/x86... :-(
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @02:32AM (#17509)
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This forum sucks! Everybody is complaining about how somebody can be so stupid and remove Classic but nobody helps.
So here is help: I 'sudo rm -rf' the OS 9 Application and System folder and the OS9 desktop database - nothing happend, everything worked fine.
And just in case you need classic: Boot in OS9. Make an empty disk image with about 500MB. Mount this disk image. Install OS 9 on this Disk image. Boot OS X. Mount this disk image again. Open System Preferences and tell the Classic PrefPane where your OS 9 is. It will then make some modifications automatically. Unmount the disk image. Now you have Classic in one file! If ou run out of diskspace, burn it to a CD or put it on your iPod just in case for some lame software which still needs classic to install.
I did this a year ago and had definetly less problems than people booting OS9 twice a day and moving around OS X things around they don't know about what they are good for...
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Now that I think about it, I'd love to fire up one of my old favorites, Armor Alley. Anyone remember that game?
WoW !! Armor alley was originally Rescue Raiders on the Apple II I LOVE THAT GAME!!!!! I always wanted a network version of Rescue Raiders when I found old copy of Armor Alley I couldn't believe it. but I could never get it to work they have some damn copy protection thing. Any way if some game deveopers would make a modern day version of Rescue Raiders I would put in a preorder on the spot.hate spam? you can help read this
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You may need to be a little careful with the OS 9 fonts. Putting them in ~/Library/Fonts (in your home directory) puts them further ahead in the search path then they were before.
I have no OS 9 on my laptop (did a clean install when 10.2 arrived) but it's still on my desktop, though I never use it. I copied the OS 9 fonts to ~/Library/Fonts on my laptop, and suddenly, I was using a different Monaco in Terminal than before, and it was acting weird. The OS 9 version was getting priority because of where I put it, it was overriding the OS X Monaco. After tracking this down, I got rid of the OS 9 Monaco and all was well.
Anyway, one little thing to watch out for.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @04:51PM (#17520)
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I still keep a 15 GB partition of Mac0S9. Partially, because I'm paranoid, and partly because I can boot off the MacOS 9 partition and run things like Disk Warrior and PlusOptimizer from it to optimize and defrag my OS X partition. Granted, I don't need 15 GB of space to do that, but I'm too lazy to reformat. ;)
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You do NOT need 9 to install FCP 3.
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I see no parts of OS9 that bolster OS X. Sure, if you want your OS 9 fonts, copy them from the Fonts folder into your home folder's Library/Fonts folder.
Apart from that, I saw no difference in performance or functionality when I got rid of my OS9 folder. And, just to make sure I got rid of all of the folders, I used Terminal to remove all files and folders related to 9:
sudo su -
cd /
rm -rf Applications\ \(Mac\ OS\ 9\)/
rm -rf Cleanup\ At\ Startup
rm -rf Desktop*
rm -rf System\ Folder
rm -rf TheFindByContentFolder
rm -rf TheVolumeSettingsFolder
rm -rf Trash
Et voila, 9 is gone. Buh bye.
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Add Recycle, T-Racks 24, and several hard-disc recording applications to the list. The professional audio community is still held hostage by OS 9.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @10:25AM (#17527)
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I'm sure this and other 'held back by 9' posts are meant to INFORM people that several tasks still require classic, or even boot into 9. Just yesterday I had to launch classic for a task I don't often have to do. Even tho I am loving OS X, I still need to go back into 9 sometimes. We're not all Gordon Worley, innit?
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Another option: with the purchase of the retail version of 10.2, you qualify for the Mac OS 9.2 Fulfillment program. If Icelandic was in the language support kits on the original 9 CDs, it should be on this as well.
In a different situation, for example purchased a new unit with 10.2 preloaded and therefore no 9 install CD? Call AppleCare (1 800 APL CARE) for assistance--the phone agents may be able to help you acquire the necessary CD. I have heard that they have been enabled to offer assistance with precisely this matter. (If you don't get satisfactory results, email me directly, and I may be able to help.)
Hope this helps.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @02:02AM (#17536)
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Where is Macromedia Director MX/9 for OS X? This is the one piece of software needed for us to completely remove OS 9 at the Digital Media Lab I work in at my college. Are there any OS X-native alternatives to Director? (Please do not say Flash MX is an alternative, it is not, and I am not starting a debate over that)
Keeping customers in the dark is not the way to gain their trust or loyalty. I would love to be able to dump Director for another non-Macromedia product.
Macromedia is putting also on a very poor showing with their slow and buggy Dreamweaver MX, that hasn't even received a single update since it was released months ago, despite numerous bugs and performance issues.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @03:37PM (#17539)
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You only need 9 if you only have the upgrade for FCP3, if you have a full install version, no need for 9
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @04:34PM (#17540)
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um... just learn to open the command line and do all your so called 'hacking' that way
-sudo
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @01:00PM (#17541)
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is it possible to create a os9 bootup cd? then you could have os9 on a cd without having to use disk space. then you would still have the option of running os9 apps when you needed to. i'm in a similar situation. i don't wanna install os9 after i upgrade to jaguar. but i still need a couple of utilities in os9
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @06:34PM (#17544)
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I agree with the so called 'troll' about most of the posters on this site - not a lot of hard information is shared. Slashdot and Macosxhints are two great sites.
How to make a bootable OS9 CD:
1. Boot into OS9. If asked, go through the usual "first-time" setup nonsense and configure everything properly. Restart (in OS9).
2. Launch Toast. I'm using 5.2 but 5.1.4 is also good. Note: If you try this from OSX, it will not work!
3. Set Toast to make a (Data) MacOS CD, -not- a MacOS Extended CD. MacOS Extended CDs are not bootable.
4. Create a new CD and name it anything you wish. Drag over your OS 9.2.2 System Folder.
5. From within the Toast window, remove the three "Classic..." files from inside the System Folder. Note that we're talking about the files in the Toast window and NOT the real System Folder on your hard drive!
6. Burn the CD.
Done. If you want, you could drag onto the CD any of your OS9 utilities (NUM, NAV, Toast, etc.) but don't forget to include whatever extensions or support files they might need (into the appropriate folders).
That's it. It's really quite simple. The usual errors are either setting Toast for MacOS Extended (this is not a bootable format) or attempting to do this when booted into OSX. The appropriate boot blocks will not be written to the CD if you're not actually booted into OS9.
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by
Anonymous Coward
on Sunday October 06, @07:22AM (#17549)
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I want to make sure I won't loose anything. I think Mac OS X reads the Font folder in my OS 9 System Folder, but what other folders might be read by OS X?
Lots of us are doing well without Classic, but the poster's question was: what, if any, parts of Classic are used to bolster OSX?
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I just finished installing Final Cut Pro on 25 plus machines in the last 2 weeks, not one had to boot into 9 to install FCP, nor did I have to have 9 on tehe machine. sorry to disagree...
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My machine is an indigo iMac 500. I enjoy playing old games under emulation. Some emulators - MAME, SNES9X, DGen - use RAVE video acceleration for optimum pe |
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